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The Diplomatic Way
#1
Hi guys,
We should not forget why we are here. We are here because of Rimbit which could be a wonderful coin.
We are here because we try to save it.
This is what we should be focussing on.

CH might be going slightly mad. He might be a scammer, a liar etc....
Don't forget he is not stupid. Technically I think we need people like him.
We must find a way to make him do a U-turn, without him to suffer to much of loss of face.
If we keep going on with our allegations he will never come to senses again.
We have to do it the diplomatic way. Listen to the following story that happened to a friend (business man) of mine many years ago.

This friend was a jewelry shop owner.
He had several suppliers.
One day he orders a large quantity of gold jewelry from one of his usual suppliers. He paid in advance as usual.
A few days later the package was delivered, but al was fake. No real gold.
It was than my friend came to me because there was a lot of money involved. He was desperate and didn't know what to do.
I told him not to go to the police directly or to accuse him of anything. I told him to contact the supplier and ask politely if the order wasn't a  mistake. To ask him if he didn't switch an order from another customer.

And guess what. He got a complete refund of his paid order.

Chances where good if the supplier was accused and attacked directly by my friend, he would have pannicked or would be that offended that he wouldn't admit his scam.
This is the diplomatic way to get things done.

A few weeks later my friend heard from several collegue jewelry shop owners they have been scammed the same way. Wit a little difference. They never got a refund and lost the money. The supplier was arrested but the money was gone.


So guys...
What do you think?
Shouldn't we stop with allegations, accusations and so on?
It is al true what has been said about CH, but let's stop this for now.
We should be focussing about the future. Let's think about the foundation of some kind of Round Table.



From the moment enough people have read this thread, it must be removed.
So of I forget to do I count on one of the other moderators to do it my place.
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#2
Well spoken (even if the story sounds a little dramatic, but it proves the point).
I agree that there shouldn't be any attacks on Marc and we should still look for reasonable solutions and not stop talking. However, not many of us still have a voice on the other forum and I am - not being able to put it better - at a lack of words.

Yes, you can do business with liars. However, building a community of trust has been made very very difficult. Visions do not thrive well in a purely business relationship.

Therefore, keeping this community of trust alive and giving space for visions and several plan Bs should still be carried forward - and of course, we should try to do this in a respectful manner. One person's behavior should not be able to drive the rest of the community to behave the same way.
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#3
The thing is, Hugues... that we did "call the guy" and ask politely. He is the one who kick our butt out of the store. So, we are here with nothing to discuss about. We tried, really, the diplomatic way, but he does not want it to happen. And, when he began to fight, of course we responded. That's what happened. Now HE has two choices:

1- He decides to step down, give us the lead, participate loyally and hopefully get good cash back and we can all be happy.
2- He keeps everything and get nothing, because nobody will want to participate in a one-man project. Not because he is a bad person, but because he cannot achieve all the work alone.

Plain and simple.

Plus, yes, you can make business with liars... even if (as a successful business man) I choose not to do. But, it is harder to have the liar in you own business... At least, for me it is not an easy task.
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#4
When perhaps he comes in this forum we should let him in. This time he has no power to delete posts or to ban people.
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#5
Like Cell said we already tried to reason with the liar Marcelo Karlsson. We weren't able to publish our burning plan on the forum before the shit hit the fan … before he started treating us like "terrorists" … "insurgents" … but I haven't given up on it yet. What amazed me, though, is that he still has a few loyal members who trust him when he has shown time and again that he can't be trusted. As long as he still thinks we should trust him with the keys, I guess we're stuck.

There is so much competition in the crypto sphere, and I would imagine that having a truly decentralized currency would certainly appeal to those who value that in a currency (kind of an important point with a CC). I'm hoping we can convince more RBT owners to push for a decentralized currency today rather than tomorrow (or never).

(2016-09-19, 10:04 PM)Hugues Wrote: When perhaps he comes in this forum we should let him in. This time he has no power to delete posts or to ban people.

Yes of course we want him here. What better place to get it in to his head that what he's doing is wrong?
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#6
(2016-09-19, 10:18 PM)ByreStraits Wrote: What amazed me, though, is that he still has a few loyal members who trust him when he has shown time and again that he can't be trusted.

It does not amaze me. These loyal memebers don't see who he his. To behonest; to most of us it also took some time before we came to conclusions. Maybe the others need some more time. Sooner or later they will see.
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#7
(2016-09-19, 10:25 PM)Hugues Wrote:
(2016-09-19, 10:18 PM)ByreStraits Wrote: What amazed me, though, is that he still has a few loyal members who trust him when he has shown time and again that he can't be trusted.

It does not amaze me. These loyal memebers don't see who he his. To behonest; to most of us it also took some time before we came to conclusions. Maybe the others need some more time. Sooner or later they will see.

Good point...
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#8
Hugues I agree with your post 100%. So if anyone has access to his forum post about this one and why we are here. Dead5pur will hopefully create a vision and goals for this forum. (See other thread http://rimbit.dk/showthread.php?tid=17&p...pur#pid142)

It's clear we are here to make Rimbit the prefered crypto currency and we need Mark to make a U-turn and we need him to burn as promised.

If he loses his backers in his forum maybe he will know his out of business unless he join us again. Let's welcome him with open arms and take his apology. He should then prove the burn and we will all be happy to promote Rimbit.
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#9
I agree with your post and indeed I did something similar too.

I emailed CH privately. I suggested that as a way out he could blame all the sock puppets on say "admin" and that would clear that problem up. He replied, copied in sheepx7 and went on a rant where he said he had gone through every users PMs looking for stuff.

I PMd back saying he was ignoring the issue, that he needed to deal with the initial problem or all could be lost. He ignored again and ranted in a reply.

If he could not see the sense in my points, then I do not believe that he has an exceptional IQ. Indeed I suspect that he is very much closer to average.

I am not sure of the way ahead, but if Rimbit can only succeed with him, then it is really not a good situation. I would expect to see a private apology to us all, probably a public one for the crap he accused me of and after that the burn of say 200m+ Rimbit to show some remorse with a handing over of the rest to the leaders in this forum.
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#10
Sadly BobBobert you are right. I have also tried to email him. No response. I have tried on Skype. No response.

If he can not see that he is harmful for Rimbit then it's because of a mental illness. Bobby Fischer maybe the best chess player ever (not that I would compare Marks IQ to come close to Bobby's ) also behaved very strangely. From Wikipedia I found this:

"Psychology[edit]
Fischer’s views and behavior attracted widespread comment.[561] Reuben Fine, psychologist and chess player, who met Fischer many times, said that "Some of Bobby's behavior is so strange, unpredictable, odd and bizarre that even his most ardent apologists have had a hard time explaining what makes him tick." and described him as "a troubled human being" with "obvious personal problems".[562]

Valery Krylov, advisor to Anatoly Karpov and a specialist in the "psycho-physiological rehabilitation of sportsmen", believed Bobby suffered from schizophrenia.[561] Psychologist Joseph G Ponteretto, from second-hand sources, concludes that "Bobby did not meet all the necessary criteria to reach diagnoses of schizophrenia or Asperger's Disorder. The evidence is stronger for paranoid personality disorder."[561]"

Maybe that description could be used on Mark as well?
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